You are logged in as a guest. ( ) Agco Hesston balers Jump to page: Now viewing page 1 50 messages per page:: - Message format Posted 8/21/2007 10:29 (#190770) Subject: Agco Hesston balers Southern Tier NY Bear with me. I assume the 'cut' side of the bale is on the bottom, opposite the knot side. Does having the 'cut' side on the bottom have any impact on the operation of a NH bale wagon (14' x 18' bale )? Nice square bales, top to bottom and side to side?
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Honda hornet 600 2007. Straw bales will they make without knotter troubles (about 40-42' long bales )? Are the Hesston balers good, reliable machines? Is the 100 stroke per minute plunger with 22' stroke better than the 93 stokes/min, 30' stroke of the NH or JD? I've read on here in the past that Freeman makes the best small square baler (not available in the NE ). TIA for your time Posted 8/21/2007 13:22 (#190858 - in reply to #190770) Subject: Re: Agco Hesston balers I've got an older model 8530 CASEIH which is the same as the 4570 hesston, which would be the 'midsize' small square. Yes the cut edge is on the bottom. I can't see where that affects anything, although I haven't used it with a bale wagon.
It makes the squarest best stacking bales I've ever handled. I'd say this baler has well over quarter million bales through it, and, with some knotter work before last season, it has baled about 10,000 bales for me with no prolbem. As far as bale weights, that is just gonna be a pissing match, and is going to depend on the quality and moisture of the straw as much as anything.
I know that I can make 39' hay bales in second cut grass weigh 70 lbs with no problem. Posted 8/21/2007 14:50 (#190894 - in reply to #190770) Subject: RE: Agco Hesston balers Wyoming The Hesston inlines indeed do cut on the bottom of the bale, opposite the knotters. Where the horse owning hay consumers get all picky about Hesston balers vs. Freeman's is that the Hesston balers can tend towards problems flaking, because the plunger doesn't give a nice, clean cut on the bottom of the bale. 2016 honda crf450x manual. This is due to there being two sets of knives to cut the hay on the bottom of the bale: you have the knives on the outsides of the string slots and one knife in between the knife slots.
Then you have the needle slot knives, mounted further forward on the bottom of the plunger. When all the knives are sharp and gapped correctly (and this is often tighter than Hesston recommends in the owner's manual ), you get a pretty clean looking bale.
But if the knives start to get even a little dull, or you've gapped the knife clearance a bit too wide, you end up with strips of 'fuzz' running along the strings on the bales. This is one of the dead giveaways that your hay was put up by an inline baler. By comparison, the side-feed Freeman balers have a knife that is the complete height of the bale on the feed side of the chamber. Because there are no needles to worry about, the side-feed balers make a very slick, tight-tolerance cut.
To handle the 'fuzz' on the needle slots of a Hesston baler, you need to sharpen your knives regularly, and then buy some extra shims and shim the knives down to tighter clearances. On our balers (4690's ), Hesston recommends something like.035' to.050'. Guys here with more experience than I have tightened this down to 0.015' with extra shims.
Doing all of this means that you must remove the plunger from the machine. You can remove the non-slot knives through the bottom of the baler, but you cannot remove the slot knife bar without pulling the plunger.
You might as well remove the plunger anyway, because you'll need to make sure that your plunger bearings are in good shape at the beginning of every season if you set your knife clearances down. A little wobble on the plunger bearings and you'll be breaking shear bolts on a regular basis. They're sealed bearings and not that expensive. They last about three years if you're baling 10K+ bales per season. Posted 8/21/2007 16:07 (#190924 - in reply to #190770) Subject: Re: Agco Hesston balers Huntley Montana I have a 4590 & 2 JD 348s. The 4590 has about 1/2 age of the 348s.
Probley have ran 100,000-130,000 bales through the Hesston, maybe more & the Deeres have somewhere in the 275-300,000 range. I'm kinda starting to like the Hesston better. Seems like the help has less problems making a good BW bale with the Hesston lately. Also I like not having to narrow up the tractors for the Hesston. I have most of the tractors set for 24' rows @ 96' wheel spacing. 1 problem is thoo is that the Hesston needs a longer hitch so the tires can miss the windgaurd. I'm starting to think I'm going to be buying more Hesston small balers.
The Hesston bale has more 'scoot' when picking up crossways with the wagon it seems. Both the Deere & Hesston bales work good on my 1069. Posted 8/21/2007 17:05 (#190949 - in reply to #190770) Subject: My opinions & observations are suspect. Little River, TX Kevin, 100% of my experience is with NH balers. It is my observation that the In line baler has better uniformity in length and weight.
With the NH it is better to run at the high end of the strokes per minute to give the plunger a little more momentum during the cutting phase. I have been counting and feeling strokes for 55 or so years and it has become second nature with me. Alfred herbert pillar drill manual marine.
Not sure if you can feel the stroke on the inline system. I do know to produce a solid 55 lb bale I want a 35 inch long bale, with between 12 and 18- strokes per bale. I want the bale to fall from the baleturner close to when the knottier/ twister trips. When ever I become suspicious I get down and measure the bale length and try the weight.
When the bale moisture is changing rapidly I may check bale length fairly often. With my equipment, I find it is best to pick up the bales in the same direction that the baler was traveling. It has to do with the grain of the cut side on steel and the fitting of the ends. If you are into gadgets I have found an on the go moisture tester to be useful. As the bale moisture goes down bale length & weight will change. If I start with the moisture averaging in the 18% range and it wanders down to 16% I need to pay more attention to the strokes/bale and bale fall. As the moisture wanders into the 13% range it is definitely time to watch for the start of leaf shatter.
Not that my mind wanders mind you. I also use a hand held humidity sensor, the Kestrel. In my little corner of the world humidity at the windrow has a lot of effect on bale moisture, and a good indicator for leaf shatter. Still I listen to the slip clutch, am aware of the feel of the air, and feel and finger the hay, just like my Papa showed me all those years ago. The traditional ways still work. Problem is much of the research is documented with numbers not feel and intuition. Edited by Hay Wilson in TX 8/21/2007 17:07 Posted 8/21/2007 17:35 (#190962 - in reply to #190949) Subject: Re: Agco Hesston balers Wilson, It's my experience that with the shorter stroke on the inline you won't feel the plunger stroke nearly as much.
However, it's fairly obvious by the clacking of the haydogs in the bale chamber. I find that I run my baler much like you do. I aim for 14 strokes or so a bale. If the hay gets up into the 20 percent range or so you will start really feeling the plunger strokes and maybe shear a plunger bolt. If you start shearing plunger bolts it is definately too wet.
Posted 8/21/2007 17:50 (#190976 - in reply to #190949) Subject: Bale stroke counter Chilliwack BC If you're into gadgets a company has a counter out that puts electronic sensors on the knotter and plunger and gives you a digital readout on the tractor of strokes/bale. It is apparently good if you've got tractorjockeys running equipment you tell them 'run in the right gear so you get 13-14 strokes per bale'. Not sure about where to get them. I think they were around Cochrane Alberta. Posted 8/21/2007 19:38 (#191011 - in reply to #190976) Subject: RE: Bale stroke counter Wyoming Our Hesstons come standard with these stroke counters.
They're pretty simple - two Hall-effect sensors, one mounted on the stuffer crank, the other in proximity to the knotter arms. There is a bit of circuitry in the control box in the cab, but all that it has to do is count the pulses coming off the stuffer crank sensor (probably with a shift register ) and then read the number back out when the pulse from the knotter comes in, then reset the counter. I reckon a guy could do the exact same thing, perhaps more reliably, with some high quality microswitches, a stepping relay and a series of lights numbered from '5' to '30' or so. Posted 8/21/2007 21:53 (#191088 - in reply to #191011) Subject: A real bale counter would be nice to have. Little River, TX I have read of an after market system that also monitors the bale weight and adjust the hydraulic pressure to maintain the bale weight. As a harvest monitor you also could add a GPS and mark the GPS at every tie.
Some of these gadgets are way beyond my level of competence, and all are in the nice to have not need to have category. I still have a need to have list. I started out counting strokes sitting on the fender as Pop did the baling.
That baler was loud and easy to hear and see all the operations. I had to modify this baler so I could hear the twister trip. My Wife can dance to any tune there is but can not feel the plunger move. I can feel each stroke, but can not hear or feel a beat in music. Also getting a lot slower getting off and on a tractor, and a shole lot more slow getting after some minor maintenance. Posted 8/21/2007 22:14 (#191104 - in reply to #190976) Subject: I've looked for the place. I've looked for the place that sell them, but can't find it.
One company that used to make them went out of business. If you find the company, please let me know. Posted 8/21/2007 22:16 (#191106 - in reply to #191011) Subject: Re: Agco Hesston balers Huntley Montana What I need is a timer. At 100 stm I want a bale every 9 sec. 15 strokes per bale.
Thinking a micro switch on the meter arm & some sort of timer that would show differant colors like red/yellow/green/yellow/red, & set it for red in the 10-13 range, yellow for the 14 stroke bales, green for 15-18 strokes, yellow on the 19-22, & red for the 23& strokes. As far as bale weight I like what I saw on the Freemans @ Tulrue (sp ).
A Spring, shock asorbor, & a cable to a gauge that would move as the bale dropped off the chute. I'm more for the KISS than the high tech electronics on the small balers. I like the electronics on the big balers, but I trade them every 4-5 yrs. Posted 8/21/2007 23:49 (#191189 - in reply to #191106) Subject: Re: Agco Hesston balers Wyoming I think what you want can be accomplished with off-the-shelf solid state timers. Here's some examples; there are many more available out there: What I think you need is the repeat cycle on/off/delay type of timer. You don't need wickedly tight accuracy, or very high current switching capability.
As for the scale wagger: You want the parts off a Freeman two-string baler, models 270, 280 or 285. What guys around here do is use the spring off a Freeman two-string on our three-string balers, then calibrate it to center the indicator against a reflective background at 100 lbs. BTW - using a hydraulic scale to adjust the bale tension - it has been tried. It doesn't work as well as one would hope, at least on our three-string bales.
The bale that is on the 1/4 turn drop that functions as the scale platform is indicative of the windrow density quite a long ways back behind you. As a result, in uneven hay, you end up with bale weights that oscillate all over the place.
Guys here have found it better to just put a bale weight indication on the baler, then train the operators to judge the windrow and increase/decrease the density (with the remote hydraulic adjustments ) according to what they see coming in the windrow. The best retail hay operators here get their bales consistently to be +/- 2lbs on a 100lb bale.
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That's not shabby at all. Posted 8/22/2007 00:20 (#191205 - in reply to #191104) Subject: RE: I've looked for the place. Chilliwack BC My brother went to college with the guy that made or came up with the idea.
I will try to get contact info and report back to you. It might be a little while but i will look into it for you. Pierre Posted 8/23/2007 11:17 (#191924 - in reply to #191104) Subject: Re: Agco Hesston balers Western Oregon Speaking of stroke counters, I just happen to have what you are looking for. Not a very good website however. Www.lehmanfarms.net Have stroke counters and in the bale chamber moisture testers. At one time there were a couple places making the stroke counters.
These are the old Casebeer design and come from Idaho Instrument company. I don't think anyone else but Lehman Farms is selling them mail order. Might be able to get them in Idaho? Jump to page: Now viewing page 1 50 messages per page Jump to forum:.
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